CONTENTS
What are we doing and why?
Step by Step Instructions for Participating in the CURL Surname DNA Project
Curl Surname DNA Project FAQ
Who Is In The Study So Far?
How many participants do you have so far?
Awaiting Results
Results by the Numbers
Haplogroups and the finer points of analysis
In 2003 a project was launched to use DNA analysis to “reconstruct” the CURL/ CURLE/CURLEE/KURLE/KERLE (and other spellings) families. Please consider if you would like to participate. If you are not a CURL family researcher but know of one, please let them know about this site. Our ancestors were pioneers and so are we. The CURL family project has been added to the rapidly growing list of world surname studies as collected by DNA researcher, Chris Pomery. Almost as good as being on the Mayflower. Check out his site Chris's site for much interesting information on the use of DNA for genealogical purposes. And like being on the Mayflower, we don't know what we will find, but the journey promises excitement and the possiblity of great new discoveries. This study will help answer these questions: How are your CURL ancestors related to other families with CURL/CURLE/CURLEE/KURLE/KERLE (and other spellings) surname ancestors? How are the different CURL family lines related? How many different unrelated lines of CURL are there? Which CURL researchers should be collaborating because they share a common ancestor? If your CURL research has hit a “stone wall”, DNA analysis could be the break through you have been looking for, to push your CURL genealogy research back hundreds of years by finding connections to other CURL family Lines. How does it work? By analyzing the Y chromosome we can discover whether males with surname CURL (and their female children) have a common ancestor. The Y chromosome passes from father to son unchanged apart from random mutations, much like a surname. So with proper testing and analysis, families with surname CURL can potentially be linked by a common ancestor over time scales of hundreds of years. For an understandable discussion on DNA and Y-Chromosome testing, go to this link blairgenealogy.com/dna/dna101.html#dna. It is possible that your CURL family may be linked to many other well researched CURL families and also to geographic areas where your earliest ancestors originated. How is it done? The test sample is collected easily and painlessly by rubbing a small swab on the inside of the test subject’s cheek. The supplier of the testing service will mail out a test kit, and the sample collection can be done anywhere. Results take about seven weeks. This test is only for the purpose of genealogical research, and strict confidentiality is maintained. Who needs to be tested? We need for the research at least one and preferably two in your family line with surname CURL, who are thought to be the natural children of your CURL ancestors. The best test is to have two or three males who have a known common ancestor but are distant cousins or belong to different branches of your CURL family line. Please note that this test cannot be performed on females. If you are a female CURL researcher and want to test your CURL family line, you will need to find males with surname CURL from your line willing to take the test. Have other families done it, and has it worked? Yes, several other families/surnames are working on it, and the results are fascinating. The research supplier for our project, www.familytreedna.com has much information on this at their web site. To see a really excellent family reconstruction project now underway, look at www.gravesfa.org/dna.html. Who is organizing this study? This study is being coordinated by two Curl researchers, Howard Curl and Clarence Curl. We would welcome others to help us coordinate the study. If you would like to help take part in this study using this fascinating new technology, your help would be very welcome. Any questions? You can contact us for more information. Howard Curl • ClarenceCurl How do I join the study? We have selected Family Tree DNA, one of the most prominent research firms in this field to be our supplier. They have agreed to a special price of $99 for the basic test for all participants in the CURL Family reconstruction project. If you want the more precise 25 marker test the special price is $169. To qualify for this price the order must be placed through their web site. You fill out a few simple fields and they mail out the kit, you return the sample with payment. To join the study go to this link FTDNA SIGN UP (http://www.familytreedna.com/surname_join.asp?code=D78286) and you will automatically receive our special discount price. Or I can now order the kit for you. Just email me Howard Curl your mailing address and I can enter the order, which will insure you get the special $99 or $169 price. As our data base expands we will post the results on this web site to include families with known common CURL ancestors along with their genealogies and the email addresses of CURL family researchers from each family. This will facilitate collaboration and research among all participating families. Please email one of the coordinators after you have placed your order so we can start to collect your family tree for inclusion in this web site. We encourage all CURL researchers to join us in this study. The results will greatly increase our knowledge of our families, and give us clues for expanding our research. -- Back to Top -- Step by Step Instructions for Participating in the CURL Family Reconstruction Project The easiest way to join is to email me with your mailing address and I will enter the order for you. Email me Howard Curl If you want to enter the order yourself, first, go to http://www.familytreedna.com/surname_join.asp?code=D78286 and fill out the fields. You will receive a special price of $99 plus $2 for postage and handling for the basic test or $169 plus $2 P & H for the more refined test for being part of this project. Family Tree DNA will send you a sample collection kit. Take your sample following the supplied directions and return it to Family Tree DNA using regular mail. Enclose your payment by check or money order for $101 or $171. Very important! In the sample kit you will find a release document authorizing Family Tree DNA to use the sample for genealogical testing. This form must be signed and returned for your sample to be used in the study. When your sample is sent, email one of the study coordinators and let them know. We will contact you to collect certain genealogical information for use in the study and to put on this web site (with your permission of course.) If you are collecting a sample for someone other than yourself, use your own address, email, etc, collect the sample and return it with your payment. Make sure the subject being tested signs the release form. If somehow you want to participate but do not have a computer to enter your order, you may send by regular mail the above information.. Mail to:
Our ancestors were pioneers and so are we. The CURL family project has been added to the rapidly growing list of world surname studies as collected by DNA researcher, Chris Pomery. Almost as good as being on the Mayflower. Check out his site Chris's site for much interesting information on the use of DNA for genealogical purposes.
And like being on the Mayflower, we don't know what we will find, but the journey promises excitement and the possiblity of great new discoveries.
This study is being coordinated by two Curl researchers, Howard Curl and Clarence Curl. We would welcome others to help us coordinate the study. If you would like to help take part in this study using this fascinating new technology, your help would be very welcome. Any questions? You can contact us for more information. Howard Curl • ClarenceCurl
We have selected Family Tree DNA, one of the most prominent research firms in this field to be our supplier. They have agreed to a special price of $99 for the basic test for all participants in the CURL Family reconstruction project. If you want the more precise 25 marker test the special price is $169. To qualify for this price the order must be placed through their web site. You fill out a few simple fields and they mail out the kit, you return the sample with payment.
To join the study go to this link FTDNA SIGN UP (http://www.familytreedna.com/surname_join.asp?code=D78286) and you will automatically receive our special discount price.
Or I can now order the kit for you. Just email me Howard Curl your mailing address and I can enter the order, which will insure you get the special $99 or $169 price.
As our data base expands we will post the results on this web site to include families with known common CURL ancestors along with their genealogies and the email addresses of CURL family researchers from each family. This will facilitate collaboration and research among all participating families. Please email one of the coordinators after you have placed your order so we can start to collect your family tree for inclusion in this web site. We encourage all CURL researchers to join us in this study. The results will greatly increase our knowledge of our families, and give us clues for expanding our research.
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The easiest way to join is to email me with your mailing address and I will enter the order for you. Email me Howard Curl
If you want to enter the order yourself, first, go to http://www.familytreedna.com/surname_join.asp?code=D78286 and fill out the fields.
You will receive a special price of $99 plus $2 for postage and handling for the basic test or $169 plus $2 P & H for the more refined test for being part of this project. Family Tree DNA will send you a sample collection kit. Take your sample following the supplied directions and return it to Family Tree DNA using regular mail. Enclose your payment by check or money order for $101 or $171.
Very important! In the sample kit you will find a release document authorizing Family Tree DNA to use the sample for genealogical testing. This form must be signed and returned for your sample to be used in the study.
When your sample is sent, email one of the study coordinators and let them know. We will contact you to collect certain genealogical information for use in the study and to put on this web site (with your permission of course.)
If you are collecting a sample for someone other than yourself, use your own address, email, etc, collect the sample and return it with your payment. Make sure the subject being tested signs the release form.
If somehow you want to participate but do not have a computer to enter your order, you may send by regular mail the above information.. Mail to:
Family Tree DNA Genealogy by Genetics, Ltd. 1919 North Loop West, Suite 110 Houston, Texas 77008, USA Phone: (713) 828-4200 Fax: (713) 868-4584 info@FamilyTreeDNA.com
Or contact me and I will enter the order for you. Howard Curl
That’s it! Couldn’t be any simpler. Thank you for participating.
We are getting a lot of interest in our CURL family reconstruction project, but many questions as well. Below are some further explanations and FAQ on the CURL family DNA reconstruction project.
Q. Should I order the 12 marker or the 25 marker test?
A. The answer to this question has changed over the past couple of years. I am now recommending, and most DNA researchers agree that if affordable testees should go straight to the 25 marker test. One reason is that 12 marker tests show too many matches (see below). Another reason is that with a 12 marker match to a previously unknown CURL, almost everyone then gets a 25 marker test to narrow down the time frame for the most recent common ancestor. The only advantage of the 12 marker test is that if you never get any matches, you save the extra cost. But it is cheaper to do the 25 marker test than do the 12 and then pay for the upgraded test later.(by $11)
Q. I joined the study to see if my CURL ancestors match up to others. But now I keep getting emails from people with all kinds of different names saying we have DNA that matches. What is going on?
A. It is possible to have a 12/12 match with another person without having a recent common ancestor. Conventional wisdom (which is changing all the time in this new field) says that on average two people with a 12/12 match have a common ancestor in the past 500 years, but it is still possible but less likelt back to 1000 years ago. If the two people share the same surname and can find a common geographic origin, then a 12/12 match is much more signifigant. With different surnames a 12/12 match could just mean common ancestry in a time before surnames were generally in use, or even just mere coincidence, particularly if you have a common haplotype. Two different haplotypes can "drift" towards each other over long periods.
Notifications of a close match on a 25 marker test are another matter. These matches while still possibly coincidental should make researchers pay attention, because they may have real signifigance.
You can code your record at FTDNA to only receive matches of persons in the surname project. This option is available under "update contact information" after you log into the site with your kit number and password. I would not recommend this, however, because a match to a different surname may have some use including a testee named CURL who is not in the study for some reason.
Q. My maiden name is CURL and I would love to have this information, but I am female and have no brothers and my father has passed on now. There are no living males with surname CURL in my family, only male cousins named CURL, some quite distantly related.
A. Your male cousins probably have the same Y DNA as your father and his male ancestors with surname CURL. Testing your cousins is the same as testing your late father if they are the natural children of your CURL ancestors. That is because the Y chromosome passes unchanged from father to son apart from random mutations. So if your father and your cousins have any known common ancestor, even back to your 4th great grandfather or beyond, the DNA sample should be the same as testing your father, give or take a mutation or two.
Q. This study is sexist. Why are you excluding women? We are the children of our CURL ancestors as much as the men. A. We cannot test females for the Y chromosome because they do not have one, only males. The technology does not exist to trace CURL surname ancestors through their female descendents, at least not yet. The reason requires going into a bit too much explanation of basic genetics, but essentially we get a blend of genes from our fathers and mothers for everything except the Y chromosome, which passes mostly unchanged from father to son. Most other genes combine, thus making every individual unique with a unique genetic signature. But that does not mean that daughters are not just as related to their fathers as sons. In fact everyone potentially has genes from all their ancestors, half on average from each parent, a quarter on average from each grandparent, an eighth from each great grandparent and so forth back forever. Every gene in our DNA existed in some ancestor 10,000 years ago apart from a few mutations possibly. By using Y DNA analysis women can learn much valuable information about their CURL ancestors, the same as male descendents. There are tests of mtDNA that trace female lineages, but they are not useful for single surname studies.
Q. There is only one living male person surname CURL in my family. Is there any point joining the study if I don’t have two or three family members who are CURL surname males?
A.Yes, there is potentially value for you to join the study. The reason for testing two or three distantly related cousins is that this “validates” the family at least back to the known common ancestor. A single test could provide incorrect data for the family if there is an unknown adoption or a false paternity somewhere back in the past. If you alone take the test and it matches others in the study, you will have learned that your branch of the CURL family is related to theirs, with little doubt. If it does not match and you cannot find any cousin to test to validate the result, at least your sample will sit there in the database until sometime in the future a match is secured.
Q. My male CURL cousins don’t care a thing about family history. They won’t pay for this. And they don’t have computers.
A. There is no rule that says the person ordering and paying for the test must be the person being tested. If your cousins will consent to doing this simple, painless test, you can order the kits on line and then send them to your cousins, and return them with your own payment. Some of the other family reconstruction projects have multiple researchers in the same family line that have split the cost of testing male cousins who have no interest in our hobby.
Q. I already know my CURL family comes from somewhere in England. What are we going to learn from doing this that is new?
A. First of all, you may discover many CURL families that are your cousins that you did not know about before. They may have new information and family histories that will be useful to you, and you will know they are your relatives with little or no doubt. A couple of families named CURL side by side in the census could be brothers, or could be coincidence. But DNA is proof. Second, as the study expands over time, you may discover the exact village where your ancestors came from in England, possibly even Church records that take you back hundreds of years.
Q. We think our name was originally not CURL. Is this only for people with the exact spelling CURL?
A. No, this study is for anyone with surname CURL or any variant. We realize that CURL in many cases is derived from other surnames, many of which we may be unable to imagine in German, French, Spanish, Scandinavian and other languages. That is one reason to do the test, it will get us away from modern spellings to look at actual paternal ancestry. Various modern CURL families can be linked ultimately to the different spellings of the name in their countries of origin. In addition, as more families take the test, we will be notified if our sample matches another sample, no matter what the surname.
Q. All it takes is one break a long time ago and you won’t be able to match up a whole line of CURLs. You will never be able to put all the CURLs together.
A. That is very likely true, but the purpose of this is to help different CURL families link up to further their genealogical research. Even if long ago a Mr. CURL adopted a boy whose natural father was Mr. JOHNSON, all his male descendents will still be with a common ancestor, which may prove useful. Also, if someday a JOHNSON has a test done, we may find that match as well!
Q. How do I know this isn’t just a scam to steal money on the Internet? Anyone could claim to be a CURL researcher and collect lots of money for nothing.
A. The coordinators are NOT asking anyone to send them money. All payments for tests go directly to Family Tree DNA. They are a reputable firm doing many family reconstruction projects. You can check them out on the Genealogy-DNA-L@rootsweb.com list at rootsweb, or look at the Gravesfa.org site where they are supplying tests for this elaborate project. The coordinators have no financial interest in Family Tree DNA.
The coordinators are long time researchers of the CURL line. You can see Clarence Curl's file at this link Curl Family History
Q. I just don’t understand all this DNA and genetics. Can someone explain it to me in simple language?
A. I am not an expert, but if you are trying to understand how this project could help you but don’t understand it well enough, you may contact me directly and I will do my best to help. Howard Curl
Other coordinators are Clarence Curl
-- --Back to Top -- Who is in the study so far? 1. The CURL family of North Carolina ca 1750 and Benton CO AL 1853-1884, descendents of William Henry CURL b. 1823 in NC. Family 1 has posted results for Clarence Curl (Testee 1), James Curl (Testee 2), William M. Curl (Testee 3) and Robert F. Curl (Testee 4). This family does not match Family 2 or Family 3 and appears unrelated genetically being 5/25 for Family 2 and 4/25 for Family 3. However, this Family has a 23/25 match with an individual who has the Floyd surname. In addition, Clarence Curl has upgraded to the 37 marker test, and has a 33/37 match (which included a 24/25 match) with the Bryant surname. A most recent 10/12 match with Family 5 shows promise and is being researched. Researcher: Clarence Curl 2. The Joseph Curle family, of Chester County Pennsylvania, ca 1752, with emphasis on establishing Joseph's ancestors and extending the work of Howard E. Curl documented in "Curl Footprints in the Sands of Time". Family 2 has posted results for Howard W. Curl (Testee 1), Wallace Curl (Testee 2), Peter Curl (Testee 3), Jason Curl (Testee 4) and Joseph H. Curl (Testee 5). Howard and Wallace and have an exact 37/37 match, followed by Jason and Joseph H. being a 36/37 match with them. Peter ia a 35/37 match with Howard and Wallace. Joseph and Jason are a 35/37 match with each other, with Joseph above the expected value at Marker 458 and Jason being above the expected value at Marker 576. Joseph and Peter are a 36/37 match with Peter being below the expected value at Marker CDYb. Jason and Peter are a 34/37 match with each other, with Jason being above the expected value at Marker 576, while Peter is above the expected value at Marker 458 and a lower value at Marker CDYb. None of thes devations are unexpected as all of the subject markers are amoung the group of markers having shown a faster mutation rate than the average. It can be stated with high confidence that the five tested members of Family 2 are from the same Curl Family line. Researchers: Howard W. Curl (website pending): Wallace Curl: Peter Curl 3. The Jeremiah Curl family, of Blount County, Alabama, ca 1770, with emphasis on establishing Jeremiah's ancestors. Family 3 has posted results from Joe F. Curl. This Family does not have a 25/25 match with anyone in the total FTDNA Data Base. This family is only a 21/25 match with Family 4. Reseacher:Clarence Curl 4. The John Tyre Curl family, of Grainger County, Tennessee, ca 1806, with emphasis on establishing John's ancestors. Family 4 has posted results from Joseph A. Curl. This family is only a 21/25 match with Family 3, being within zero to 4 mutations, and indicating a likely common ancestor. Researcher:Joseph A. Curl 5. The Abraham Benjamin Curl family, of Gates and Hertford Counties, North Carolina, ca 1802, with emphasis on establishing Abraham's ancestors. Family 5 has posted 37 marker results from David Curl. This Family has a 20/25 and 29/37 match with Family 1. The results indicate a likely common ancestor. Researcher:Clarence Curl 6. The John Curell family, of Antrim County, Ireland, ca 1760, with emphasis on establishing John's ancestors. Family 6 has posted 25 marker results from William Curell. This Family does not at present have a match with any of the 5 Families currently in the Project. General Note If one removes the testing data for those DYS numbers known to show a faster mutation rate than average, the following relationships are produced based on the fact that now 25 marker testing data will become 16 marker data, and 37 marker testing data will become 23 marker data. There are currently 14 tested members in this surname Project and they fall into 4 groupings, i.e., distinct and different Curl family lines. The first group contains Clarence, James, William, Robert, and David Curl. The second group has Wallace, Howard, Peter and Jason Curl. The third group is composed of Joseph, Richard, Bradley, and Joe Curl. In the first group Clarence, James, and William have an exact 16/16 match, with Robert a 15/16 match, and David a 14/16 match. In the second group Wallace, Howard, Peter and Jason have an exact 16/16 match. The third group has Richard and Joe with an exact 16/16 match, and Joseph and Bradley with a 15/16 match. In the first group Clarence, Robert and David have been tested on 37 markers (now 23 markers as noted above), with Clarence an exact 23/23 match, Robert a 22/23 match and David a 20/23 match. The fourth group contains William Curell and he has no match with the other Curl families. --Back to Top-- How many participants do you have so far? As of May, 2010 there were twenty-four individuals tested or being tested as part of this study. --Back to Top-- The following tests have been ordered but not yet received from the laboratory Clarence Curl37 to 67 Marker UpgradeReceived 8/18/08 --Back to Top-- Results by the Numbers Here are the results of the tests showing the DYS locations and allele's or number of repeats. Haplogroups are suggested but not proven by certain values on certain markers. In order to prove a haplogroup, further tests are required. Haplogroups have not been defined for all values at this time. Those DYS numbers known to show a faster mutation rate than the average are shown in Red. FTDNA Markers Probable Haplogroup Loc 1 Loc 2 Loc 3 Loc 4 Loc 5 Loc 6 Loc 7 Loc 8 Loc 9 Loc 10 Loc 11 Loc 12 Loc 13 Loc 14 Loc 15 Loc 16 Loc 17 Loc 18 Loc 19 Loc 20 Loc 21 Loc 22 Loc 23 Loc 24 Loc 25 Loc 26 Loc 27 Loc 28 Loc 29 Loc 30 Loc 31 Loc 32 Loc 33 Loc 34 Loc 35 Loc 36 Loc 37 DYS DYS DYS DYS DYS DYS DYS DYS DYS DYS DYS DYS DYS DYS DYS DYS DYS DYS DYS DYS DYS DYS DYS DYS DYS DYS DYS DYS DYS DYS DYS DYS DYS DYS DYS DYS DYS Location 393 390 19 AKA 394 391 385a 385b 426 388 439 389-1 392 389-2 458 459a 459b 455 454 447 437 448 449 464a 464b 464c 464d 460 GATA H4 YCA IIa YCA IIb 456 607 576 570 CDYa CDYb 442 438 Family 1 Testee 1 R1b 13 24 14 12 11 14 12 12 11 13 13 29 17 9 10 11 11 24 15 19 29 15 15 17 17 11 11 19 23 15 15 18 16 36 37 12 12 Family 1 Testee 2 R1b 13 24 14 12 11 14 12 12 11 13 13 29 17 9 10 11 11 24 15 19 29 15 15 17 17 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 Family 1 Testee 3 R1b 13 24 14 12 11 14 12 12 11 13 13 29 17 9 10 11 11 24 15 19 29 15 15 17 17 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 Family 1 Testee 4 R1b 13 24 14 11 11 14 12 12 11 13 13 29 17 9 10 11 11 24 15 19 29 15 15 17 17 11 11 19 23 15 15 18 16 36 37 12 12 Family 2 Testee 1 I 13 23 14 10 14 14 11 14 11 12 11 28 15 8 9 8 12 23 16 21 29 12 14 14 16 10 9 19 21 14 14 17 21 34 40 12 10 Family 2 Testee 2 I 13 23 14 10 14 14 11 14 11 12 11 28 15 8 9 8 12 23 16 21 29 12 14 14 16 10 9 19 21 14 14 17 21 34 40 12 10 Family 2 Testee 3 I 13 23 14 10 14 14 11 14 11 12 11 28 16 8 9 8 12 23 16 21 29 12 14 14 16 10 9 19 21 14 14 17 21 34 39 12 10 Family 2 Testee 4 I 13 23 14 10 14 14 11 14 11 12 11 28 15 8 9 8 12 23 16 21 29 12 14 14 16 10 9 19 21 14 14 18 21 34 40 12 10 Family 2 Testee 5 I 13 23 14 10 14 14 11 14 11 12 11 28 16 8 9 8 12 23 16 21 29 12 14 14 16 10 9 19 21 14 14 17 21 34 40 12 10 Family 3 I 15 24 15 10 14 15 11 13 12 14 12 31 15 8 10 11 11 25 14 20 27 10 14 15 15 11 10 19 21 17 14 18 18 33 37 12 10 Family 4 I 15 24 15 10 14 15 11 13 11 13 12 30 15 8 10 11 11 25 14 20 26 10 14 15 15 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 Family 5 R1b 13 24 14 11 11 14 12 12 12 13 13 29 18 9 10 11 11 25 15 19 29 15 15 17 18 11 11 19 23 15 16 19 16 36 38 12 12 Family 6 R1a 13 25 15 11 11 15 12 14 10 14 11 31 16 9 10 11 11 23 14 21 31 12 15 15 16 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 Family 7 Unknown 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 Family 8 Unknown 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 Family 9 Unknown 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 Family 10 Unknown 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 Family 11 Unknown 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 Family 12 Unknown 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 HG 1 13 24 14 11 11 14 12 12 12 13 13 29 HG 2 13 23 15 10 14 14 11 14 11 12 11 28 HG 3 13 25 15 10 11 14 12 12 10 13 11 31 --Back to Top-- Haplogroups and the finer points of analyzing the numbers The names of the Haplogroups have changed and many new haplogroups have been defined. I have shown the current names above in the table, but will leave the old definitions in as well for the time being. The following is from Dennis Garvey who has an excellent web site on haplogroups at this addresss Dennis' website DYS426=11 then you probably belong to HG2. If DYS426=12 and DYS392=11 then you are probably a member of haplogroup R1a1 (also known as HG3). If DYS426=12 and DON'T have DYS392=11 then you probably belong to haplogroup R1b (also known as HG1). If DYS426=11 and DYS388=12 then you may belong to either haplogroup N3 or E3b (also known as HG16 and HG21) "There will be exceptions to the above rules - but this method works well for most men whose paternal line is of European descent," writes Dennis. Also from Dennis' web site: The members of HG1 are thought to be the descendants of the Paleolithic hunter-gatherers who arrived in Europe before the last Ice Age about 40,000 years ago (Aurignacian culture). That pattern is most common in Western Europe, but is also found in all other parts of Europe. The members of HG2 are believed to be the descendants of two later waves of humans into Europe. The last of these waves arrived about 8,000 years ago and is credited with introducing agriculture into Europe. HG2 is most common in Southern and Central Europe, but that haplogroup is also often seen in those of Anglo-Saxon and Scandinavian descent. The haplogroup HG3 is seen more frequently on the eastern side of Europe (9% of the population of Turkey is HG3). But HG3 is also common in Scandinavia, and is said by some to be indicative of "Viking blood" when seen in paternal lines originating in the British Isles. The forefather of all HG3's is thought to have been born in the Ukraine during the last Ice Age about 15,000 years ago. Keep in mind that haplogroup classification is fairly useless for locating the place of origin of your paternal line. While each haplogroup has general areas in which it is more common, there has been enough mixing of people on the European continent to prevent using these classifications to pinpoint any single place of origin. Source: Dennis Garvey web site on Haplogroups Markers with the Fastest Mutation Rates The following is lifted from the FTDNA newsletter "Facts and Genes" January 31, 2003 Volume 2, Issue 1 The 5 fastest moving Markers are: 464, 449, 439, 385, and 458. Marker 464 is the fastest moving marker, and Marker 458 is the slowest of this group of the fast moving Markers. The other three Markers are between the fastest, and the slowest of the fast moving Markers. Why 389-1 and 389-2 are weird markers As I understand it, 389-2 includes the marker distance of 389-1. The following is from a email from Gregg Bonner who tried valiantly to explain the signifigance of this to me. "A 389-1 mutation causes a change in 389-2 value. So it is one mutation. In a strange way, this ONE 389-1 change causes 2 numbers to change, but if 389-1 changes and 389-2 does NOT, then that is TWO changes, in spite of only one number being different. So in addition to checking to see if you are double-counting distance, you need to check the other side of the coin to see if there are cases of "half-counting". This is because if 389-1 changes and 389-2 does not, that means there is a change in 389-1, AND a change in a section covered by 389 as a whole but not in the 389-1 section that causes the overall (389-2) length to be the same." Y STR Databases Family Tree DNA maintains two data bases of results. If you signed the release they will notify you of any 12/12 matches to your results no matter what surname. They also have an anonymous data base of "ethnic origins", where they will show the number of matches and close matches, with only the country of origin shown. Another good data base is the forensic data base. Go to this link for a data base of European Y DNA results that you can match with your results Y STR Data Base There are links from this site to other databases in the USA and Asia. Another Y DNA data base that has recently started up is called Ybase. I would encourage everyone with Y DNA tests to submit their numbers to this free data base. A Great Weblog -- Back to Top --
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1. The CURL family of North Carolina ca 1750 and Benton CO AL 1853-1884, descendents of William Henry CURL b. 1823 in NC. Family 1 has posted results for Clarence Curl (Testee 1), James Curl (Testee 2), William M. Curl (Testee 3) and Robert F. Curl (Testee 4). This family does not match Family 2 or Family 3 and appears unrelated genetically being 5/25 for Family 2 and 4/25 for Family 3. However, this Family has a 23/25 match with an individual who has the Floyd surname. In addition, Clarence Curl has upgraded to the 37 marker test, and has a 33/37 match (which included a 24/25 match) with the Bryant surname. A most recent 10/12 match with Family 5 shows promise and is being researched. Researcher: Clarence Curl 2. The Joseph Curle family, of Chester County Pennsylvania, ca 1752, with emphasis on establishing Joseph's ancestors and extending the work of Howard E. Curl documented in "Curl Footprints in the Sands of Time". Family 2 has posted results for Howard W. Curl (Testee 1), Wallace Curl (Testee 2), Peter Curl (Testee 3), Jason Curl (Testee 4) and Joseph H. Curl (Testee 5). Howard and Wallace and have an exact 37/37 match, followed by Jason and Joseph H. being a 36/37 match with them. Peter ia a 35/37 match with Howard and Wallace. Joseph and Jason are a 35/37 match with each other, with Joseph above the expected value at Marker 458 and Jason being above the expected value at Marker 576. Joseph and Peter are a 36/37 match with Peter being below the expected value at Marker CDYb. Jason and Peter are a 34/37 match with each other, with Jason being above the expected value at Marker 576, while Peter is above the expected value at Marker 458 and a lower value at Marker CDYb. None of thes devations are unexpected as all of the subject markers are amoung the group of markers having shown a faster mutation rate than the average. It can be stated with high confidence that the five tested members of Family 2 are from the same Curl Family line. Researchers: Howard W. Curl (website pending): Wallace Curl: Peter Curl 3. The Jeremiah Curl family, of Blount County, Alabama, ca 1770, with emphasis on establishing Jeremiah's ancestors. Family 3 has posted results from Joe F. Curl. This Family does not have a 25/25 match with anyone in the total FTDNA Data Base. This family is only a 21/25 match with Family 4. Reseacher:Clarence Curl 4. The John Tyre Curl family, of Grainger County, Tennessee, ca 1806, with emphasis on establishing John's ancestors. Family 4 has posted results from Joseph A. Curl. This family is only a 21/25 match with Family 3, being within zero to 4 mutations, and indicating a likely common ancestor. Researcher:Joseph A. Curl 5. The Abraham Benjamin Curl family, of Gates and Hertford Counties, North Carolina, ca 1802, with emphasis on establishing Abraham's ancestors. Family 5 has posted 37 marker results from David Curl. This Family has a 20/25 and 29/37 match with Family 1. The results indicate a likely common ancestor. Researcher:Clarence Curl 6. The John Curell family, of Antrim County, Ireland, ca 1760, with emphasis on establishing John's ancestors. Family 6 has posted 25 marker results from William Curell. This Family does not at present have a match with any of the 5 Families currently in the Project. General Note If one removes the testing data for those DYS numbers known to show a faster mutation rate than average, the following relationships are produced based on the fact that now 25 marker testing data will become 16 marker data, and 37 marker testing data will become 23 marker data. There are currently 14 tested members in this surname Project and they fall into 4 groupings, i.e., distinct and different Curl family lines. The first group contains Clarence, James, William, Robert, and David Curl. The second group has Wallace, Howard, Peter and Jason Curl. The third group is composed of Joseph, Richard, Bradley, and Joe Curl. In the first group Clarence, James, and William have an exact 16/16 match, with Robert a 15/16 match, and David a 14/16 match. In the second group Wallace, Howard, Peter and Jason have an exact 16/16 match. The third group has Richard and Joe with an exact 16/16 match, and Joseph and Bradley with a 15/16 match. In the first group Clarence, Robert and David have been tested on 37 markers (now 23 markers as noted above), with Clarence an exact 23/23 match, Robert a 22/23 match and David a 20/23 match. The fourth group contains William Curell and he has no match with the other Curl families. --Back to Top-- How many participants do you have so far? As of May, 2010 there were twenty-four individuals tested or being tested as part of this study. --Back to Top-- The following tests have been ordered but not yet received from the laboratory Clarence Curl37 to 67 Marker UpgradeReceived 8/18/08 --Back to Top-- Results by the Numbers Here are the results of the tests showing the DYS locations and allele's or number of repeats. Haplogroups are suggested but not proven by certain values on certain markers. In order to prove a haplogroup, further tests are required. Haplogroups have not been defined for all values at this time. Those DYS numbers known to show a faster mutation rate than the average are shown in Red. FTDNA Markers Probable Haplogroup Loc 1 Loc 2 Loc 3 Loc 4 Loc 5 Loc 6 Loc 7 Loc 8 Loc 9 Loc 10 Loc 11 Loc 12 Loc 13 Loc 14 Loc 15 Loc 16 Loc 17 Loc 18 Loc 19 Loc 20 Loc 21 Loc 22 Loc 23 Loc 24 Loc 25 Loc 26 Loc 27 Loc 28 Loc 29 Loc 30 Loc 31 Loc 32 Loc 33 Loc 34 Loc 35 Loc 36 Loc 37 DYS DYS DYS DYS DYS DYS DYS DYS DYS DYS DYS DYS DYS DYS DYS DYS DYS DYS DYS DYS DYS DYS DYS DYS DYS DYS DYS DYS DYS DYS DYS DYS DYS DYS DYS DYS DYS Location 393 390 19 AKA 394 391 385a 385b 426 388 439 389-1 392 389-2 458 459a 459b 455 454 447 437 448 449 464a 464b 464c 464d 460 GATA H4 YCA IIa YCA IIb 456 607 576 570 CDYa CDYb 442 438 Family 1 Testee 1 R1b 13 24 14 12 11 14 12 12 11 13 13 29 17 9 10 11 11 24 15 19 29 15 15 17 17 11 11 19 23 15 15 18 16 36 37 12 12 Family 1 Testee 2 R1b 13 24 14 12 11 14 12 12 11 13 13 29 17 9 10 11 11 24 15 19 29 15 15 17 17 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 Family 1 Testee 3 R1b 13 24 14 12 11 14 12 12 11 13 13 29 17 9 10 11 11 24 15 19 29 15 15 17 17 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 Family 1 Testee 4 R1b 13 24 14 11 11 14 12 12 11 13 13 29 17 9 10 11 11 24 15 19 29 15 15 17 17 11 11 19 23 15 15 18 16 36 37 12 12 Family 2 Testee 1 I 13 23 14 10 14 14 11 14 11 12 11 28 15 8 9 8 12 23 16 21 29 12 14 14 16 10 9 19 21 14 14 17 21 34 40 12 10 Family 2 Testee 2 I 13 23 14 10 14 14 11 14 11 12 11 28 15 8 9 8 12 23 16 21 29 12 14 14 16 10 9 19 21 14 14 17 21 34 40 12 10 Family 2 Testee 3 I 13 23 14 10 14 14 11 14 11 12 11 28 16 8 9 8 12 23 16 21 29 12 14 14 16 10 9 19 21 14 14 17 21 34 39 12 10 Family 2 Testee 4 I 13 23 14 10 14 14 11 14 11 12 11 28 15 8 9 8 12 23 16 21 29 12 14 14 16 10 9 19 21 14 14 18 21 34 40 12 10 Family 2 Testee 5 I 13 23 14 10 14 14 11 14 11 12 11 28 16 8 9 8 12 23 16 21 29 12 14 14 16 10 9 19 21 14 14 17 21 34 40 12 10 Family 3 I 15 24 15 10 14 15 11 13 12 14 12 31 15 8 10 11 11 25 14 20 27 10 14 15 15 11 10 19 21 17 14 18 18 33 37 12 10 Family 4 I 15 24 15 10 14 15 11 13 11 13 12 30 15 8 10 11 11 25 14 20 26 10 14 15 15 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 Family 5 R1b 13 24 14 11 11 14 12 12 12 13 13 29 18 9 10 11 11 25 15 19 29 15 15 17 18 11 11 19 23 15 16 19 16 36 38 12 12 Family 6 R1a 13 25 15 11 11 15 12 14 10 14 11 31 16 9 10 11 11 23 14 21 31 12 15 15 16 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 Family 7 Unknown 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 Family 8 Unknown 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 Family 9 Unknown 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 Family 10 Unknown 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 Family 11 Unknown 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 Family 12 Unknown 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 HG 1 13 24 14 11 11 14 12 12 12 13 13 29 HG 2 13 23 15 10 14 14 11 14 11 12 11 28 HG 3 13 25 15 10 11 14 12 12 10 13 11 31 --Back to Top-- Haplogroups and the finer points of analyzing the numbers The names of the Haplogroups have changed and many new haplogroups have been defined. I have shown the current names above in the table, but will leave the old definitions in as well for the time being. The following is from Dennis Garvey who has an excellent web site on haplogroups at this addresss Dennis' website DYS426=11 then you probably belong to HG2. If DYS426=12 and DYS392=11 then you are probably a member of haplogroup R1a1 (also known as HG3). If DYS426=12 and DON'T have DYS392=11 then you probably belong to haplogroup R1b (also known as HG1). If DYS426=11 and DYS388=12 then you may belong to either haplogroup N3 or E3b (also known as HG16 and HG21) "There will be exceptions to the above rules - but this method works well for most men whose paternal line is of European descent," writes Dennis. Also from Dennis' web site: The members of HG1 are thought to be the descendants of the Paleolithic hunter-gatherers who arrived in Europe before the last Ice Age about 40,000 years ago (Aurignacian culture). That pattern is most common in Western Europe, but is also found in all other parts of Europe. The members of HG2 are believed to be the descendants of two later waves of humans into Europe. The last of these waves arrived about 8,000 years ago and is credited with introducing agriculture into Europe. HG2 is most common in Southern and Central Europe, but that haplogroup is also often seen in those of Anglo-Saxon and Scandinavian descent. The haplogroup HG3 is seen more frequently on the eastern side of Europe (9% of the population of Turkey is HG3). But HG3 is also common in Scandinavia, and is said by some to be indicative of "Viking blood" when seen in paternal lines originating in the British Isles. The forefather of all HG3's is thought to have been born in the Ukraine during the last Ice Age about 15,000 years ago. Keep in mind that haplogroup classification is fairly useless for locating the place of origin of your paternal line. While each haplogroup has general areas in which it is more common, there has been enough mixing of people on the European continent to prevent using these classifications to pinpoint any single place of origin. Source: Dennis Garvey web site on Haplogroups Markers with the Fastest Mutation Rates The following is lifted from the FTDNA newsletter "Facts and Genes" January 31, 2003 Volume 2, Issue 1 The 5 fastest moving Markers are: 464, 449, 439, 385, and 458. Marker 464 is the fastest moving marker, and Marker 458 is the slowest of this group of the fast moving Markers. The other three Markers are between the fastest, and the slowest of the fast moving Markers. Why 389-1 and 389-2 are weird markers As I understand it, 389-2 includes the marker distance of 389-1. The following is from a email from Gregg Bonner who tried valiantly to explain the signifigance of this to me. "A 389-1 mutation causes a change in 389-2 value. So it is one mutation. In a strange way, this ONE 389-1 change causes 2 numbers to change, but if 389-1 changes and 389-2 does NOT, then that is TWO changes, in spite of only one number being different. So in addition to checking to see if you are double-counting distance, you need to check the other side of the coin to see if there are cases of "half-counting". This is because if 389-1 changes and 389-2 does not, that means there is a change in 389-1, AND a change in a section covered by 389 as a whole but not in the 389-1 section that causes the overall (389-2) length to be the same." Y STR Databases Family Tree DNA maintains two data bases of results. If you signed the release they will notify you of any 12/12 matches to your results no matter what surname. They also have an anonymous data base of "ethnic origins", where they will show the number of matches and close matches, with only the country of origin shown. Another good data base is the forensic data base. Go to this link for a data base of European Y DNA results that you can match with your results Y STR Data Base There are links from this site to other databases in the USA and Asia. Another Y DNA data base that has recently started up is called Ybase. I would encourage everyone with Y DNA tests to submit their numbers to this free data base. A Great Weblog -- Back to Top --
Researcher: Clarence Curl
2. The Joseph Curle family, of Chester County Pennsylvania, ca 1752, with emphasis on establishing Joseph's ancestors and extending the work of Howard E. Curl documented in "Curl Footprints in the Sands of Time". Family 2 has posted results for Howard W. Curl (Testee 1), Wallace Curl (Testee 2), Peter Curl (Testee 3), Jason Curl (Testee 4) and Joseph H. Curl (Testee 5). Howard and Wallace and have an exact 37/37 match, followed by Jason and Joseph H. being a 36/37 match with them. Peter ia a 35/37 match with Howard and Wallace. Joseph and Jason are a 35/37 match with each other, with Joseph above the expected value at Marker 458 and Jason being above the expected value at Marker 576. Joseph and Peter are a 36/37 match with Peter being below the expected value at Marker CDYb. Jason and Peter are a 34/37 match with each other, with Jason being above the expected value at Marker 576, while Peter is above the expected value at Marker 458 and a lower value at Marker CDYb. None of thes devations are unexpected as all of the subject markers are amoung the group of markers having shown a faster mutation rate than the average. It can be stated with high confidence that the five tested members of Family 2 are from the same Curl Family line. Researchers: Howard W. Curl (website pending): Wallace Curl: Peter Curl 3. The Jeremiah Curl family, of Blount County, Alabama, ca 1770, with emphasis on establishing Jeremiah's ancestors. Family 3 has posted results from Joe F. Curl. This Family does not have a 25/25 match with anyone in the total FTDNA Data Base. This family is only a 21/25 match with Family 4. Reseacher:Clarence Curl 4. The John Tyre Curl family, of Grainger County, Tennessee, ca 1806, with emphasis on establishing John's ancestors. Family 4 has posted results from Joseph A. Curl. This family is only a 21/25 match with Family 3, being within zero to 4 mutations, and indicating a likely common ancestor. Researcher:Joseph A. Curl 5. The Abraham Benjamin Curl family, of Gates and Hertford Counties, North Carolina, ca 1802, with emphasis on establishing Abraham's ancestors. Family 5 has posted 37 marker results from David Curl. This Family has a 20/25 and 29/37 match with Family 1. The results indicate a likely common ancestor. Researcher:Clarence Curl 6. The John Curell family, of Antrim County, Ireland, ca 1760, with emphasis on establishing John's ancestors. Family 6 has posted 25 marker results from William Curell. This Family does not at present have a match with any of the 5 Families currently in the Project. General Note If one removes the testing data for those DYS numbers known to show a faster mutation rate than average, the following relationships are produced based on the fact that now 25 marker testing data will become 16 marker data, and 37 marker testing data will become 23 marker data. There are currently 14 tested members in this surname Project and they fall into 4 groupings, i.e., distinct and different Curl family lines. The first group contains Clarence, James, William, Robert, and David Curl. The second group has Wallace, Howard, Peter and Jason Curl. The third group is composed of Joseph, Richard, Bradley, and Joe Curl. In the first group Clarence, James, and William have an exact 16/16 match, with Robert a 15/16 match, and David a 14/16 match. In the second group Wallace, Howard, Peter and Jason have an exact 16/16 match. The third group has Richard and Joe with an exact 16/16 match, and Joseph and Bradley with a 15/16 match. In the first group Clarence, Robert and David have been tested on 37 markers (now 23 markers as noted above), with Clarence an exact 23/23 match, Robert a 22/23 match and David a 20/23 match. The fourth group contains William Curell and he has no match with the other Curl families. --Back to Top-- How many participants do you have so far? As of May, 2010 there were twenty-four individuals tested or being tested as part of this study. --Back to Top-- The following tests have been ordered but not yet received from the laboratory Clarence Curl37 to 67 Marker UpgradeReceived 8/18/08 --Back to Top-- Results by the Numbers Here are the results of the tests showing the DYS locations and allele's or number of repeats. Haplogroups are suggested but not proven by certain values on certain markers. In order to prove a haplogroup, further tests are required. Haplogroups have not been defined for all values at this time. Those DYS numbers known to show a faster mutation rate than the average are shown in Red. FTDNA Markers Probable Haplogroup Loc 1 Loc 2 Loc 3 Loc 4 Loc 5 Loc 6 Loc 7 Loc 8 Loc 9 Loc 10 Loc 11 Loc 12 Loc 13 Loc 14 Loc 15 Loc 16 Loc 17 Loc 18 Loc 19 Loc 20 Loc 21 Loc 22 Loc 23 Loc 24 Loc 25 Loc 26 Loc 27 Loc 28 Loc 29 Loc 30 Loc 31 Loc 32 Loc 33 Loc 34 Loc 35 Loc 36 Loc 37 DYS DYS DYS DYS DYS DYS DYS DYS DYS DYS DYS DYS DYS DYS DYS DYS DYS DYS DYS DYS DYS DYS DYS DYS DYS DYS DYS DYS DYS DYS DYS DYS DYS DYS DYS DYS DYS Location 393 390 19 AKA 394 391 385a 385b 426 388 439 389-1 392 389-2 458 459a 459b 455 454 447 437 448 449 464a 464b 464c 464d 460 GATA H4 YCA IIa YCA IIb 456 607 576 570 CDYa CDYb 442 438 Family 1 Testee 1 R1b 13 24 14 12 11 14 12 12 11 13 13 29 17 9 10 11 11 24 15 19 29 15 15 17 17 11 11 19 23 15 15 18 16 36 37 12 12 Family 1 Testee 2 R1b 13 24 14 12 11 14 12 12 11 13 13 29 17 9 10 11 11 24 15 19 29 15 15 17 17 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 Family 1 Testee 3 R1b 13 24 14 12 11 14 12 12 11 13 13 29 17 9 10 11 11 24 15 19 29 15 15 17 17 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 Family 1 Testee 4 R1b 13 24 14 11 11 14 12 12 11 13 13 29 17 9 10 11 11 24 15 19 29 15 15 17 17 11 11 19 23 15 15 18 16 36 37 12 12 Family 2 Testee 1 I 13 23 14 10 14 14 11 14 11 12 11 28 15 8 9 8 12 23 16 21 29 12 14 14 16 10 9 19 21 14 14 17 21 34 40 12 10 Family 2 Testee 2 I 13 23 14 10 14 14 11 14 11 12 11 28 15 8 9 8 12 23 16 21 29 12 14 14 16 10 9 19 21 14 14 17 21 34 40 12 10 Family 2 Testee 3 I 13 23 14 10 14 14 11 14 11 12 11 28 16 8 9 8 12 23 16 21 29 12 14 14 16 10 9 19 21 14 14 17 21 34 39 12 10 Family 2 Testee 4 I 13 23 14 10 14 14 11 14 11 12 11 28 15 8 9 8 12 23 16 21 29 12 14 14 16 10 9 19 21 14 14 18 21 34 40 12 10 Family 2 Testee 5 I 13 23 14 10 14 14 11 14 11 12 11 28 16 8 9 8 12 23 16 21 29 12 14 14 16 10 9 19 21 14 14 17 21 34 40 12 10 Family 3 I 15 24 15 10 14 15 11 13 12 14 12 31 15 8 10 11 11 25 14 20 27 10 14 15 15 11 10 19 21 17 14 18 18 33 37 12 10 Family 4 I 15 24 15 10 14 15 11 13 11 13 12 30 15 8 10 11 11 25 14 20 26 10 14 15 15 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 Family 5 R1b 13 24 14 11 11 14 12 12 12 13 13 29 18 9 10 11 11 25 15 19 29 15 15 17 18 11 11 19 23 15 16 19 16 36 38 12 12 Family 6 R1a 13 25 15 11 11 15 12 14 10 14 11 31 16 9 10 11 11 23 14 21 31 12 15 15 16 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 Family 7 Unknown 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 Family 8 Unknown 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 Family 9 Unknown 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 Family 10 Unknown 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 Family 11 Unknown 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 Family 12 Unknown 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 HG 1 13 24 14 11 11 14 12 12 12 13 13 29 HG 2 13 23 15 10 14 14 11 14 11 12 11 28 HG 3 13 25 15 10 11 14 12 12 10 13 11 31 --Back to Top-- Haplogroups and the finer points of analyzing the numbers The names of the Haplogroups have changed and many new haplogroups have been defined. I have shown the current names above in the table, but will leave the old definitions in as well for the time being. The following is from Dennis Garvey who has an excellent web site on haplogroups at this addresss Dennis' website DYS426=11 then you probably belong to HG2. If DYS426=12 and DYS392=11 then you are probably a member of haplogroup R1a1 (also known as HG3). If DYS426=12 and DON'T have DYS392=11 then you probably belong to haplogroup R1b (also known as HG1). If DYS426=11 and DYS388=12 then you may belong to either haplogroup N3 or E3b (also known as HG16 and HG21) "There will be exceptions to the above rules - but this method works well for most men whose paternal line is of European descent," writes Dennis. Also from Dennis' web site: The members of HG1 are thought to be the descendants of the Paleolithic hunter-gatherers who arrived in Europe before the last Ice Age about 40,000 years ago (Aurignacian culture). That pattern is most common in Western Europe, but is also found in all other parts of Europe. The members of HG2 are believed to be the descendants of two later waves of humans into Europe. The last of these waves arrived about 8,000 years ago and is credited with introducing agriculture into Europe. HG2 is most common in Southern and Central Europe, but that haplogroup is also often seen in those of Anglo-Saxon and Scandinavian descent. The haplogroup HG3 is seen more frequently on the eastern side of Europe (9% of the population of Turkey is HG3). But HG3 is also common in Scandinavia, and is said by some to be indicative of "Viking blood" when seen in paternal lines originating in the British Isles. The forefather of all HG3's is thought to have been born in the Ukraine during the last Ice Age about 15,000 years ago. Keep in mind that haplogroup classification is fairly useless for locating the place of origin of your paternal line. While each haplogroup has general areas in which it is more common, there has been enough mixing of people on the European continent to prevent using these classifications to pinpoint any single place of origin. Source: Dennis Garvey web site on Haplogroups Markers with the Fastest Mutation Rates The following is lifted from the FTDNA newsletter "Facts and Genes" January 31, 2003 Volume 2, Issue 1 The 5 fastest moving Markers are: 464, 449, 439, 385, and 458. Marker 464 is the fastest moving marker, and Marker 458 is the slowest of this group of the fast moving Markers. The other three Markers are between the fastest, and the slowest of the fast moving Markers. Why 389-1 and 389-2 are weird markers As I understand it, 389-2 includes the marker distance of 389-1. The following is from a email from Gregg Bonner who tried valiantly to explain the signifigance of this to me. "A 389-1 mutation causes a change in 389-2 value. So it is one mutation. In a strange way, this ONE 389-1 change causes 2 numbers to change, but if 389-1 changes and 389-2 does NOT, then that is TWO changes, in spite of only one number being different. So in addition to checking to see if you are double-counting distance, you need to check the other side of the coin to see if there are cases of "half-counting". This is because if 389-1 changes and 389-2 does not, that means there is a change in 389-1, AND a change in a section covered by 389 as a whole but not in the 389-1 section that causes the overall (389-2) length to be the same." Y STR Databases Family Tree DNA maintains two data bases of results. If you signed the release they will notify you of any 12/12 matches to your results no matter what surname. They also have an anonymous data base of "ethnic origins", where they will show the number of matches and close matches, with only the country of origin shown. Another good data base is the forensic data base. Go to this link for a data base of European Y DNA results that you can match with your results Y STR Data Base There are links from this site to other databases in the USA and Asia. Another Y DNA data base that has recently started up is called Ybase. I would encourage everyone with Y DNA tests to submit their numbers to this free data base. A Great Weblog -- Back to Top --
Researchers: Howard W. Curl (website pending): Wallace Curl: Peter Curl
3. The Jeremiah Curl family, of Blount County, Alabama, ca 1770, with emphasis on establishing Jeremiah's ancestors. Family 3 has posted results from Joe F. Curl. This Family does not have a 25/25 match with anyone in the total FTDNA Data Base. This family is only a 21/25 match with Family 4. Reseacher:Clarence Curl 4. The John Tyre Curl family, of Grainger County, Tennessee, ca 1806, with emphasis on establishing John's ancestors. Family 4 has posted results from Joseph A. Curl. This family is only a 21/25 match with Family 3, being within zero to 4 mutations, and indicating a likely common ancestor. Researcher:Joseph A. Curl 5. The Abraham Benjamin Curl family, of Gates and Hertford Counties, North Carolina, ca 1802, with emphasis on establishing Abraham's ancestors. Family 5 has posted 37 marker results from David Curl. This Family has a 20/25 and 29/37 match with Family 1. The results indicate a likely common ancestor. Researcher:Clarence Curl 6. The John Curell family, of Antrim County, Ireland, ca 1760, with emphasis on establishing John's ancestors. Family 6 has posted 25 marker results from William Curell. This Family does not at present have a match with any of the 5 Families currently in the Project. General Note If one removes the testing data for those DYS numbers known to show a faster mutation rate than average, the following relationships are produced based on the fact that now 25 marker testing data will become 16 marker data, and 37 marker testing data will become 23 marker data. There are currently 14 tested members in this surname Project and they fall into 4 groupings, i.e., distinct and different Curl family lines. The first group contains Clarence, James, William, Robert, and David Curl. The second group has Wallace, Howard, Peter and Jason Curl. The third group is composed of Joseph, Richard, Bradley, and Joe Curl. In the first group Clarence, James, and William have an exact 16/16 match, with Robert a 15/16 match, and David a 14/16 match. In the second group Wallace, Howard, Peter and Jason have an exact 16/16 match. The third group has Richard and Joe with an exact 16/16 match, and Joseph and Bradley with a 15/16 match. In the first group Clarence, Robert and David have been tested on 37 markers (now 23 markers as noted above), with Clarence an exact 23/23 match, Robert a 22/23 match and David a 20/23 match. The fourth group contains William Curell and he has no match with the other Curl families. --Back to Top-- How many participants do you have so far? As of May, 2010 there were twenty-four individuals tested or being tested as part of this study. --Back to Top-- The following tests have been ordered but not yet received from the laboratory Clarence Curl37 to 67 Marker UpgradeReceived 8/18/08 --Back to Top-- Results by the Numbers Here are the results of the tests showing the DYS locations and allele's or number of repeats. Haplogroups are suggested but not proven by certain values on certain markers. In order to prove a haplogroup, further tests are required. Haplogroups have not been defined for all values at this time. Those DYS numbers known to show a faster mutation rate than the average are shown in Red. FTDNA Markers Probable Haplogroup Loc 1 Loc 2 Loc 3 Loc 4 Loc 5 Loc 6 Loc 7 Loc 8 Loc 9 Loc 10 Loc 11 Loc 12 Loc 13 Loc 14 Loc 15 Loc 16 Loc 17 Loc 18 Loc 19 Loc 20 Loc 21 Loc 22 Loc 23 Loc 24 Loc 25 Loc 26 Loc 27 Loc 28 Loc 29 Loc 30 Loc 31 Loc 32 Loc 33 Loc 34 Loc 35 Loc 36 Loc 37 DYS DYS DYS DYS DYS DYS DYS DYS DYS DYS DYS DYS DYS DYS DYS DYS DYS DYS DYS DYS DYS DYS DYS DYS DYS DYS DYS DYS DYS DYS DYS DYS DYS DYS DYS DYS DYS Location 393 390 19 AKA 394 391 385a 385b 426 388 439 389-1 392 389-2 458 459a 459b 455 454 447 437 448 449 464a 464b 464c 464d 460 GATA H4 YCA IIa YCA IIb 456 607 576 570 CDYa CDYb 442 438 Family 1 Testee 1 R1b 13 24 14 12 11 14 12 12 11 13 13 29 17 9 10 11 11 24 15 19 29 15 15 17 17 11 11 19 23 15 15 18 16 36 37 12 12 Family 1 Testee 2 R1b 13 24 14 12 11 14 12 12 11 13 13 29 17 9 10 11 11 24 15 19 29 15 15 17 17 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 Family 1 Testee 3 R1b 13 24 14 12 11 14 12 12 11 13 13 29 17 9 10 11 11 24 15 19 29 15 15 17 17 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 Family 1 Testee 4 R1b 13 24 14 11 11 14 12 12 11 13 13 29 17 9 10 11 11 24 15 19 29 15 15 17 17 11 11 19 23 15 15 18 16 36 37 12 12 Family 2 Testee 1 I 13 23 14 10 14 14 11 14 11 12 11 28 15 8 9 8 12 23 16 21 29 12 14 14 16 10 9 19 21 14 14 17 21 34 40 12 10 Family 2 Testee 2 I 13 23 14 10 14 14 11 14 11 12 11 28 15 8 9 8 12 23 16 21 29 12 14 14 16 10 9 19 21 14 14 17 21 34 40 12 10 Family 2 Testee 3 I 13 23 14 10 14 14 11 14 11 12 11 28 16 8 9 8 12 23 16 21 29 12 14 14 16 10 9 19 21 14 14 17 21 34 39 12 10 Family 2 Testee 4 I 13 23 14 10 14 14 11 14 11 12 11 28 15 8 9 8 12 23 16 21 29 12 14 14 16 10 9 19 21 14 14 18 21 34 40 12 10 Family 2 Testee 5 I 13 23 14 10 14 14 11 14 11 12 11 28 16 8 9 8 12 23 16 21 29 12 14 14 16 10 9 19 21 14 14 17 21 34 40 12 10 Family 3 I 15 24 15 10 14 15 11 13 12 14 12 31 15 8 10 11 11 25 14 20 27 10 14 15 15 11 10 19 21 17 14 18 18 33 37 12 10 Family 4 I 15 24 15 10 14 15 11 13 11 13 12 30 15 8 10 11 11 25 14 20 26 10 14 15 15 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 Family 5 R1b 13 24 14 11 11 14 12 12 12 13 13 29 18 9 10 11 11 25 15 19 29 15 15 17 18 11 11 19 23 15 16 19 16 36 38 12 12 Family 6 R1a 13 25 15 11 11 15 12 14 10 14 11 31 16 9 10 11 11 23 14 21 31 12 15 15 16 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 Family 7 Unknown 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 Family 8 Unknown 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 Family 9 Unknown 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 Family 10 Unknown 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 Family 11 Unknown 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 Family 12 Unknown 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 HG 1 13 24 14 11 11 14 12 12 12 13 13 29 HG 2 13 23 15 10 14 14 11 14 11 12 11 28 HG 3 13 25 15 10 11 14 12 12 10 13 11 31 --Back to Top-- Haplogroups and the finer points of analyzing the numbers The names of the Haplogroups have changed and many new haplogroups have been defined. I have shown the current names above in the table, but will leave the old definitions in as well for the time being. The following is from Dennis Garvey who has an excellent web site on haplogroups at this addresss Dennis' website DYS426=11 then you probably belong to HG2. If DYS426=12 and DYS392=11 then you are probably a member of haplogroup R1a1 (also known as HG3). If DYS426=12 and DON'T have DYS392=11 then you probably belong to haplogroup R1b (also known as HG1). If DYS426=11 and DYS388=12 then you may belong to either haplogroup N3 or E3b (also known as HG16 and HG21) "There will be exceptions to the above rules - but this method works well for most men whose paternal line is of European descent," writes Dennis. Also from Dennis' web site: The members of HG1 are thought to be the descendants of the Paleolithic hunter-gatherers who arrived in Europe before the last Ice Age about 40,000 years ago (Aurignacian culture). That pattern is most common in Western Europe, but is also found in all other parts of Europe. The members of HG2 are believed to be the descendants of two later waves of humans into Europe. The last of these waves arrived about 8,000 years ago and is credited with introducing agriculture into Europe. HG2 is most common in Southern and Central Europe, but that haplogroup is also often seen in those of Anglo-Saxon and Scandinavian descent. The haplogroup HG3 is seen more frequently on the eastern side of Europe (9% of the population of Turkey is HG3). But HG3 is also common in Scandinavia, and is said by some to be indicative of "Viking blood" when seen in paternal lines originating in the British Isles. The forefather of all HG3's is thought to have been born in the Ukraine during the last Ice Age about 15,000 years ago. Keep in mind that haplogroup classification is fairly useless for locating the place of origin of your paternal line. While each haplogroup has general areas in which it is more common, there has been enough mixing of people on the European continent to prevent using these classifications to pinpoint any single place of origin. Source: Dennis Garvey web site on Haplogroups Markers with the Fastest Mutation Rates The following is lifted from the FTDNA newsletter "Facts and Genes" January 31, 2003 Volume 2, Issue 1 The 5 fastest moving Markers are: 464, 449, 439, 385, and 458. Marker 464 is the fastest moving marker, and Marker 458 is the slowest of this group of the fast moving Markers. The other three Markers are between the fastest, and the slowest of the fast moving Markers. Why 389-1 and 389-2 are weird markers As I understand it, 389-2 includes the marker distance of 389-1. The following is from a email from Gregg Bonner who tried valiantly to explain the signifigance of this to me. "A 389-1 mutation causes a change in 389-2 value. So it is one mutation. In a strange way, this ONE 389-1 change causes 2 numbers to change, but if 389-1 changes and 389-2 does NOT, then that is TWO changes, in spite of only one number being different. So in addition to checking to see if you are double-counting distance, you need to check the other side of the coin to see if there are cases of "half-counting". This is because if 389-1 changes and 389-2 does not, that means there is a change in 389-1, AND a change in a section covered by 389 as a whole but not in the 389-1 section that causes the overall (389-2) length to be the same." Y STR Databases Family Tree DNA maintains two data bases of results. If you signed the release they will notify you of any 12/12 matches to your results no matter what surname. They also have an anonymous data base of "ethnic origins", where they will show the number of matches and close matches, with only the country of origin shown. Another good data base is the forensic data base. Go to this link for a data base of European Y DNA results that you can match with your results Y STR Data Base There are links from this site to other databases in the USA and Asia. Another Y DNA data base that has recently started up is called Ybase. I would encourage everyone with Y DNA tests to submit their numbers to this free data base. A Great Weblog -- Back to Top --
Reseacher:Clarence Curl
4. The John Tyre Curl family, of Grainger County, Tennessee, ca 1806, with emphasis on establishing John's ancestors. Family 4 has posted results from Joseph A. Curl. This family is only a 21/25 match with Family 3, being within zero to 4 mutations, and indicating a likely common ancestor. Researcher:Joseph A. Curl 5. The Abraham Benjamin Curl family, of Gates and Hertford Counties, North Carolina, ca 1802, with emphasis on establishing Abraham's ancestors. Family 5 has posted 37 marker results from David Curl. This Family has a 20/25 and 29/37 match with Family 1. The results indicate a likely common ancestor. Researcher:Clarence Curl 6. The John Curell family, of Antrim County, Ireland, ca 1760, with emphasis on establishing John's ancestors. Family 6 has posted 25 marker results from William Curell. This Family does not at present have a match with any of the 5 Families currently in the Project. General Note If one removes the testing data for those DYS numbers known to show a faster mutation rate than average, the following relationships are produced based on the fact that now 25 marker testing data will become 16 marker data, and 37 marker testing data will become 23 marker data. There are currently 14 tested members in this surname Project and they fall into 4 groupings, i.e., distinct and different Curl family lines. The first group contains Clarence, James, William, Robert, and David Curl. The second group has Wallace, Howard, Peter and Jason Curl. The third group is composed of Joseph, Richard, Bradley, and Joe Curl. In the first group Clarence, James, and William have an exact 16/16 match, with Robert a 15/16 match, and David a 14/16 match. In the second group Wallace, Howard, Peter and Jason have an exact 16/16 match. The third group has Richard and Joe with an exact 16/16 match, and Joseph and Bradley with a 15/16 match. In the first group Clarence, Robert and David have been tested on 37 markers (now 23 markers as noted above), with Clarence an exact 23/23 match, Robert a 22/23 match and David a 20/23 match. The fourth group contains William Curell and he has no match with the other Curl families. --Back to Top-- How many participants do you have so far? As of May, 2010 there were twenty-four individuals tested or being tested as part of this study. --Back to Top-- The following tests have been ordered but not yet received from the laboratory Clarence Curl37 to 67 Marker UpgradeReceived 8/18/08 --Back to Top-- Results by the Numbers Here are the results of the tests showing the DYS locations and allele's or number of repeats. Haplogroups are suggested but not proven by certain values on certain markers. In order to prove a haplogroup, further tests are required. Haplogroups have not been defined for all values at this time. Those DYS numbers known to show a faster mutation rate than the average are shown in Red. FTDNA Markers Probable Haplogroup Loc 1 Loc 2 Loc 3 Loc 4 Loc 5 Loc 6 Loc 7 Loc 8 Loc 9 Loc 10 Loc 11 Loc 12 Loc 13 Loc 14 Loc 15 Loc 16 Loc 17 Loc 18 Loc 19 Loc 20 Loc 21 Loc 22 Loc 23 Loc 24 Loc 25 Loc 26 Loc 27 Loc 28 Loc 29 Loc 30 Loc 31 Loc 32 Loc 33 Loc 34 Loc 35 Loc 36 Loc 37 DYS DYS DYS DYS DYS DYS DYS DYS DYS DYS DYS DYS DYS DYS DYS DYS DYS DYS DYS DYS DYS DYS DYS DYS DYS DYS DYS DYS DYS DYS DYS DYS DYS DYS DYS DYS DYS Location 393 390 19 AKA 394 391 385a 385b 426 388 439 389-1 392 389-2 458 459a 459b 455 454 447 437 448 449 464a 464b 464c 464d 460 GATA H4 YCA IIa YCA IIb 456 607 576 570 CDYa CDYb 442 438 Family 1 Testee 1 R1b 13 24 14 12 11 14 12 12 11 13 13 29 17 9 10 11 11 24 15 19 29 15 15 17 17 11 11 19 23 15 15 18 16 36 37 12 12 Family 1 Testee 2 R1b 13 24 14 12 11 14 12 12 11 13 13 29 17 9 10 11 11 24 15 19 29 15 15 17 17 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 Family 1 Testee 3 R1b 13 24 14 12 11 14 12 12 11 13 13 29 17 9 10 11 11 24 15 19 29 15 15 17 17 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 Family 1 Testee 4 R1b 13 24 14 11 11 14 12 12 11 13 13 29 17 9 10 11 11 24 15 19 29 15 15 17 17 11 11 19 23 15 15 18 16 36 37 12 12 Family 2 Testee 1 I 13 23 14 10 14 14 11 14 11 12 11 28 15 8 9 8 12 23 16 21 29 12 14 14 16 10 9 19 21 14 14 17 21 34 40 12 10 Family 2 Testee 2 I 13 23 14 10 14 14 11 14 11 12 11 28 15 8 9 8 12 23 16 21 29 12 14 14 16 10 9 19 21 14 14 17 21 34 40 12 10 Family 2 Testee 3 I 13 23 14 10 14 14 11 14 11 12 11 28 16 8 9 8 12 23 16 21 29 12 14 14 16 10 9 19 21 14 14 17 21 34 39 12 10 Family 2 Testee 4 I 13 23 14 10 14 14 11 14 11 12 11 28 15 8 9 8 12 23 16 21 29 12 14 14 16 10 9 19 21 14 14 18 21 34 40 12 10 Family 2 Testee 5 I 13 23 14 10 14 14 11 14 11 12 11 28 16 8 9 8 12 23 16 21 29 12 14 14 16 10 9 19 21 14 14 17 21 34 40 12 10 Family 3 I 15 24 15 10 14 15 11 13 12 14 12 31 15 8 10 11 11 25 14 20 27 10 14 15 15 11 10 19 21 17 14 18 18 33 37 12 10 Family 4 I 15 24 15 10 14 15 11 13 11 13 12 30 15 8 10 11 11 25 14 20 26 10 14 15 15 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 Family 5 R1b 13 24 14 11 11 14 12 12 12 13 13 29 18 9 10 11 11 25 15 19 29 15 15 17 18 11 11 19 23 15 16 19 16 36 38 12 12 Family 6 R1a 13 25 15 11 11 15 12 14 10 14 11 31 16 9 10 11 11 23 14 21 31 12 15 15 16 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 Family 7 Unknown 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 Family 8 Unknown 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 Family 9 Unknown 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 Family 10 Unknown 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 Family 11 Unknown 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 Family 12 Unknown 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 HG 1 13 24 14 11 11 14 12 12 12 13 13 29 HG 2 13 23 15 10 14 14 11 14 11 12 11 28 HG 3 13 25 15 10 11 14 12 12 10 13 11 31 --Back to Top-- Haplogroups and the finer points of analyzing the numbers The names of the Haplogroups have changed and many new haplogroups have been defined. I have shown the current names above in the table, but will leave the old definitions in as well for the time being. The following is from Dennis Garvey who has an excellent web site on haplogroups at this addresss
Researcher:Joseph A. Curl
5. The Abraham Benjamin Curl family, of Gates and Hertford Counties, North Carolina, ca 1802, with emphasis on establishing Abraham's ancestors. Family 5 has posted 37 marker results from David Curl. This Family has a 20/25 and 29/37 match with Family 1. The results indicate a likely common ancestor. Researcher:Clarence Curl 6. The John Curell family, of Antrim County, Ireland, ca 1760, with emphasis on establishing John's ancestors. Family 6 has posted 25 marker results from William Curell. This Family does not at present have a match with any of the 5 Families currently in the Project. General Note If one removes the testing data for those DYS numbers known to show a faster mutation rate than average, the following relationships are produced based on the fact that now 25 marker testing data will become 16 marker data, and 37 marker testing data will become 23 marker data. There are currently 14 tested members in this surname Project and they fall into 4 groupings, i.e., distinct and different Curl family lines. The first group contains Clarence, James, William, Robert, and David Curl. The second group has Wallace, Howard, Peter and Jason Curl. The third group is composed of Joseph, Richard, Bradley, and Joe Curl. In the first group Clarence, James, and William have an exact 16/16 match, with Robert a 15/16 match, and David a 14/16 match. In the second group Wallace, Howard, Peter and Jason have an exact 16/16 match. The third group has Richard and Joe with an exact 16/16 match, and Joseph and Bradley with a 15/16 match. In the first group Clarence, Robert and David have been tested on 37 markers (now 23 markers as noted above), with Clarence an exact 23/23 match, Robert a 22/23 match and David a 20/23 match. The fourth group contains William Curell and he has no match with the other Curl families.
Researcher:Clarence Curl
6. The John Curell family, of Antrim County, Ireland, ca 1760, with emphasis on establishing John's ancestors. Family 6 has posted 25 marker results from William Curell. This Family does not at present have a match with any of the 5 Families currently in the Project. General Note
General Note
If one removes the testing data for those DYS numbers known to show a faster mutation rate than average, the following relationships are produced based on the fact that now 25 marker testing data will become 16 marker data, and 37 marker testing data will become 23 marker data. There are currently 14 tested members in this surname Project and they fall into 4 groupings, i.e., distinct and different Curl family lines. The first group contains Clarence, James, William, Robert, and David Curl. The second group has Wallace, Howard, Peter and Jason Curl. The third group is composed of Joseph, Richard, Bradley, and Joe Curl. In the first group Clarence, James, and William have an exact 16/16 match, with Robert a 15/16 match, and David a 14/16 match. In the second group Wallace, Howard, Peter and Jason have an exact 16/16 match. The third group has Richard and Joe with an exact 16/16 match, and Joseph and Bradley with a 15/16 match. In the first group Clarence, Robert and David have been tested on 37 markers (now 23 markers as noted above), with Clarence an exact 23/23 match, Robert a 22/23 match and David a 20/23 match. The fourth group contains William Curell and he has no match with the other Curl families.
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How many participants do you have so far? As of May, 2010 there were twenty-four individuals tested or being tested as part of this study.
As of May, 2010 there were twenty-four individuals tested or being tested as part of this study.
The following tests have been ordered but not yet received from the laboratory Clarence Curl37 to 67 Marker UpgradeReceived 8/18/08 --Back to Top-- Results by the Numbers Here are the results of the tests showing the DYS locations and allele's or number of repeats. Haplogroups are suggested but not proven by certain values on certain markers. In order to prove a haplogroup, further tests are required. Haplogroups have not been defined for all values at this time. Those DYS numbers known to show a faster mutation rate than the average are shown in Red. FTDNA Markers Probable Haplogroup Loc 1 Loc 2 Loc 3 Loc 4 Loc 5 Loc 6 Loc 7 Loc 8 Loc 9 Loc 10 Loc 11 Loc 12 Loc 13 Loc 14 Loc 15 Loc 16 Loc 17 Loc 18 Loc 19 Loc 20 Loc 21 Loc 22 Loc 23 Loc 24 Loc 25 Loc 26 Loc 27 Loc 28 Loc 29 Loc 30 Loc 31 Loc 32 Loc 33 Loc 34 Loc 35 Loc 36 Loc 37 DYS DYS DYS DYS DYS DYS DYS DYS DYS DYS DYS DYS DYS DYS DYS DYS DYS DYS DYS DYS DYS DYS DYS DYS DYS DYS DYS DYS DYS DYS DYS DYS DYS DYS DYS DYS DYS Location 393 390 19 AKA 394 391 385a 385b 426 388 439 389-1 392 389-2 458 459a 459b 455 454 447 437 448 449 464a 464b 464c 464d 460 GATA H4 YCA IIa YCA IIb 456 607 576 570 CDYa CDYb 442 438 Family 1 Testee 1 R1b 13 24 14 12 11 14 12 12 11 13 13 29 17 9 10 11 11 24 15 19 29 15 15 17 17 11 11 19 23 15 15 18 16 36 37 12 12 Family 1 Testee 2 R1b 13 24 14 12 11 14 12 12 11 13 13 29 17 9 10 11 11 24 15 19 29 15 15 17 17 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 Family 1 Testee 3 R1b 13 24 14 12 11 14 12 12 11 13 13 29 17 9 10 11 11 24 15 19 29 15 15 17 17 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 Family 1 Testee 4 R1b 13 24 14 11 11 14 12 12 11 13 13 29 17 9 10 11 11 24 15 19 29 15 15 17 17 11 11 19 23 15 15 18 16 36 37 12 12 Family 2 Testee 1 I 13 23 14 10 14 14 11 14 11 12 11 28 15 8 9 8 12 23 16 21 29 12 14 14 16 10 9 19 21 14 14 17 21 34 40 12 10 Family 2 Testee 2 I 13 23 14 10 14 14 11 14 11 12 11 28 15 8 9 8 12 23 16 21 29 12 14 14 16 10 9 19 21 14 14 17 21 34 40 12 10 Family 2 Testee 3 I 13 23 14 10 14 14 11 14 11 12 11 28 16 8 9 8 12 23 16 21 29 12 14 14 16 10 9 19 21 14 14 17 21 34 39 12 10 Family 2 Testee 4 I 13 23 14 10 14 14 11 14 11 12 11 28 15 8 9 8 12 23 16 21 29 12 14 14 16 10 9 19 21 14 14 18 21 34 40 12 10 Family 2 Testee 5 I 13 23 14 10 14 14 11 14 11 12 11 28 16 8 9 8 12 23 16 21 29 12 14 14 16 10 9 19 21 14 14 17 21 34 40 12 10 Family 3 I 15 24 15 10 14 15 11 13 12 14 12 31 15 8 10 11 11 25 14 20 27 10 14 15 15 11 10 19 21 17 14 18 18 33 37 12 10 Family 4 I 15 24 15 10 14 15 11 13 11 13 12 30 15 8 10 11 11 25 14 20 26 10 14 15 15 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 Family 5 R1b 13 24 14 11 11 14 12 12 12 13 13 29 18 9 10 11 11 25 15 19 29 15 15 17 18 11 11 19 23 15 16 19 16 36 38 12 12 Family 6 R1a 13 25 15 11 11 15 12 14 10 14 11 31 16 9 10 11 11 23 14 21 31 12 15 15 16 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 Family 7 Unknown 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 Family 8 Unknown 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 Family 9 Unknown 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 Family 10 Unknown 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 Family 11 Unknown 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 Family 12 Unknown 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 HG 1 13 24 14 11 11 14 12 12 12 13 13 29 HG 2 13 23 15 10 14 14 11 14 11 12 11 28 HG 3 13 25 15 10 11 14 12 12 10 13 11 31 --Back to Top-- Haplogroups and the finer points of analyzing the numbers The names of the Haplogroups have changed and many new haplogroups have been defined. I have shown the current names above in the table, but will leave the old definitions in as well for the time being. The following is from Dennis Garvey who has an excellent web site on haplogroups at this addresss
The following tests have been ordered but not yet received from the laboratory
Clarence Curl
37 to 67 Marker Upgrade
Received 8/18/08
Results by the Numbers Here are the results of the tests showing the DYS locations and allele's or number of repeats. Haplogroups are suggested but not proven by certain values on certain markers. In order to prove a haplogroup, further tests are required. Haplogroups have not been defined for all values at this time. Those DYS numbers known to show a faster mutation rate than the average are shown in Red. FTDNA Markers Probable Haplogroup Loc 1 Loc 2 Loc 3 Loc 4 Loc 5 Loc 6 Loc 7 Loc 8 Loc 9 Loc 10 Loc 11 Loc 12 Loc 13 Loc 14 Loc 15 Loc 16 Loc 17 Loc 18 Loc 19 Loc 20 Loc 21 Loc 22 Loc 23 Loc 24 Loc 25 Loc 26 Loc 27 Loc 28 Loc 29 Loc 30 Loc 31 Loc 32 Loc 33 Loc 34 Loc 35 Loc 36 Loc 37 DYS DYS DYS DYS DYS DYS DYS DYS DYS DYS DYS DYS DYS DYS DYS DYS DYS DYS DYS DYS DYS DYS DYS DYS DYS DYS DYS DYS DYS DYS DYS DYS DYS DYS DYS DYS DYS Location 393 390 19 AKA 394 391 385a 385b 426 388 439 389-1 392 389-2 458 459a 459b 455 454 447 437 448 449 464a 464b 464c 464d 460 GATA H4 YCA IIa YCA IIb 456 607 576 570 CDYa CDYb 442 438 Family 1 Testee 1 R1b 13 24 14 12 11 14 12 12 11 13 13 29 17 9 10 11 11 24 15 19 29 15 15 17 17 11 11 19 23 15 15 18 16 36 37 12 12 Family 1 Testee 2 R1b 13 24 14 12 11 14 12 12 11 13 13 29 17 9 10 11 11 24 15 19 29 15 15 17 17 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 Family 1 Testee 3 R1b 13 24 14 12 11 14 12 12 11 13 13 29 17 9 10 11 11 24 15 19 29 15 15 17 17 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 Family 1 Testee 4 R1b 13 24 14 11 11 14 12 12 11 13 13 29 17 9 10 11 11 24 15 19 29 15 15 17 17 11 11 19 23 15 15 18 16 36 37 12 12 Family 2 Testee 1 I 13 23 14 10 14 14 11 14 11 12 11 28 15 8 9 8 12 23 16 21 29 12 14 14 16 10 9 19 21 14 14 17 21 34 40 12 10 Family 2 Testee 2 I 13 23 14 10 14 14 11 14 11 12 11 28 15 8 9 8 12 23 16 21 29 12 14 14 16 10 9 19 21 14 14 17 21 34 40 12 10 Family 2 Testee 3 I 13 23 14 10 14 14 11 14 11 12 11 28 16 8 9 8 12 23 16 21 29 12 14 14 16 10 9 19 21 14 14 17 21 34 39 12 10 Family 2 Testee 4 I 13 23 14 10 14 14 11 14 11 12 11 28 15 8 9 8 12 23 16 21 29 12 14 14 16 10 9 19 21 14 14 18 21 34 40 12 10 Family 2 Testee 5 I 13 23 14 10 14 14 11 14 11 12 11 28 16 8 9 8 12 23 16 21 29 12 14 14 16 10 9 19 21 14 14 17 21 34 40 12 10 Family 3 I 15 24 15 10 14 15 11 13 12 14 12 31 15 8 10 11 11 25 14 20 27 10 14 15 15 11 10 19 21 17 14 18 18 33 37 12 10 Family 4 I 15 24 15 10 14 15 11 13 11 13 12 30 15 8 10 11 11 25 14 20 26 10 14 15 15 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 Family 5 R1b 13 24 14 11 11 14 12 12 12 13 13 29 18 9 10 11 11 25 15 19 29 15 15 17 18 11 11 19 23 15 16 19 16 36 38 12 12 Family 6 R1a 13 25 15 11 11 15 12 14 10 14 11 31 16 9 10 11 11 23 14 21 31 12 15 15 16 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 Family 7 Unknown 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 Family 8 Unknown 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 Family 9 Unknown 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 Family 10 Unknown 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 Family 11 Unknown 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 Family 12 Unknown 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 HG 1 13 24 14 11 11 14 12 12 12 13 13 29 HG 2 13 23 15 10 14 14 11 14 11 12 11 28 HG 3 13 25 15 10 11 14 12 12 10 13 11 31
Here are the results of the tests showing the DYS locations and allele's or number of repeats. Haplogroups are suggested but not proven by certain values on certain markers. In order to prove a haplogroup, further tests are required. Haplogroups have not been defined for all values at this time. Those DYS numbers known to show a faster mutation rate than the average are shown in Red.
FTDNA Markers
Loc 1
Loc 2
Loc 3
Loc 4
Loc 5
Loc 6
Loc 7
Loc 8
Loc 9
Loc 10
Loc 11
Loc 12
DYS
Location
393
390
19 AKA 394
391
385a
385b
426
388
439
389-1
392
389-2
GATA H4
13
24
14
12
11
29
Family 2 Testee 1
23
10
28
HG 2
The following is from Dennis Garvey who has an excellent web site on haplogroups at this addresss
Dennis' website
DYS426=11 then you probably belong to HG2.
If DYS426=12 and DYS392=11 then you are probably a member of haplogroup R1a1 (also known as HG3).
If DYS426=12 and DON'T have DYS392=11 then you probably belong to haplogroup R1b (also known as HG1).
If DYS426=11 and DYS388=12 then you may belong to either haplogroup N3 or E3b (also known as HG16 and HG21)
"There will be exceptions to the above rules - but this method works well for most men whose paternal line is of European descent," writes Dennis. Also from Dennis' web site:
The members of HG1 are thought to be the descendants of the Paleolithic hunter-gatherers who arrived in Europe before the last Ice Age about 40,000 years ago (Aurignacian culture). That pattern is most common in Western Europe, but is also found in all other parts of Europe. The members of HG2 are believed to be the descendants of two later waves of humans into Europe. The last of these waves arrived about 8,000 years ago and is credited with introducing agriculture into Europe. HG2 is most common in Southern and Central Europe, but that haplogroup is also often seen in those of Anglo-Saxon and Scandinavian descent. The haplogroup HG3 is seen more frequently on the eastern side of Europe (9% of the population of Turkey is HG3). But HG3 is also common in Scandinavia, and is said by some to be indicative of "Viking blood" when seen in paternal lines originating in the British Isles. The forefather of all HG3's is thought to have been born in the Ukraine during the last Ice Age about 15,000 years ago. Keep in mind that haplogroup classification is fairly useless for locating the place of origin of your paternal line. While each haplogroup has general areas in which it is more common, there has been enough mixing of people on the European continent to prevent using these classifications to pinpoint any single place of origin.
Source: Dennis Garvey web site on Haplogroups
Markers with the Fastest Mutation Rates
The following is lifted from the FTDNA newsletter "Facts and Genes" January 31, 2003 Volume 2, Issue 1
The 5 fastest moving Markers are: 464, 449, 439, 385, and 458. Marker 464 is the fastest moving marker, and Marker 458 is the slowest of this group of the fast moving Markers. The other three Markers are between the fastest, and the slowest of the fast moving Markers.
Why 389-1 and 389-2 are weird markers
As I understand it, 389-2 includes the marker distance of 389-1. The following is from a email from Gregg Bonner who tried valiantly to explain the signifigance of this to me. "A 389-1 mutation causes a change in 389-2 value. So it is one mutation. In a strange way, this ONE 389-1 change causes 2 numbers to change, but if 389-1 changes and 389-2 does NOT, then that is TWO changes, in spite of only one number being different. So in addition to checking to see if you are double-counting distance, you need to check the other side of the coin to see if there are cases of "half-counting". This is because if 389-1 changes and 389-2 does not, that means there is a change in 389-1, AND a change in a section covered by 389 as a whole but not in the 389-1 section that causes the overall (389-2) length to be the same."
Y STR Databases
Family Tree DNA maintains two data bases of results. If you signed the release they will notify you of any 12/12 matches to your results no matter what surname. They also have an anonymous data base of "ethnic origins", where they will show the number of matches and close matches, with only the country of origin shown.
Another good data base is the forensic data base. Go to this link for a data base of European Y DNA results that you can match with your results Y STR Data Base
There are links from this site to other databases in the USA and Asia.
Another Y DNA data base that has recently started up is called Ybase. I would encourage everyone with Y DNA tests to submit their numbers to this free data base.
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